FNM and FRE

Last post 09-08-2008 8:14 AM by dewdrinkrt78. 18 replies.
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  • 09-05-2008 9:37 PM

    FNM and FRE

    The fall of its investors.

     

    A neccesary sacrifice for the progress of the economy.....

  • 09-06-2008 12:07 AM In reply to

    Re: FNM and FRE

     I do not know if this is the progress of economy - that is, bailing out 2 companies that were making fraudulent mortgages at worse, and making very bad decisions to loan money to people with no money at best

     

    I do know one thing - this is a MORAL HAZARD

    the government is proving that if you are a big enough company, you will get bailed out and taxpayers will pay for it

    meanwhile the CEOs of FRE FNM made out like kings - millions of dollars in salaries, etc in the past few years.

  • 09-06-2008 12:38 AM In reply to

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     The federal government is taking over freddie and fannie as of this coming week. The CEOs of both companies are out.

    These stock are going to be almost worthless.

  • 09-06-2008 8:55 AM In reply to

    Re: FNM and FRE

    MAJIK13, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE CEO'S OF THESE TWO COMPANIES MADE?  I DON'T KNOW BUT I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE IT SURE IS A SHAME THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS TAKING THEM OVER.  NO WATCHDOGS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!  I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE IT.  WE COUNT ON SO CALLED CEO'S TO RUN THINGS IN A DECENT MANNER AND IN THE MEAN TIME EVERYTHING IS BECOMING A GIANT MESS.  I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. SURELY, WHEN THINGS START TO GO WRONG IN A MAJOR COMPANY THERE ARE MANY WARNING SIGNS IN THE BEGINNING.  WHAT DO YOU THINK?

  • 09-06-2008 11:04 AM In reply to

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    that sucks that the money they made this month can not help keep them out of trouble. 

  • 09-06-2008 11:53 AM In reply to

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    The CEO's knew for months the company was going under,as there cash decreased to constantly stave off losses from bad mortgage's......But we should blame all of the company's that sold the subprime to FRE and FNM also,granted management should have been smarter not to buy.But what would have hapened to  the markets if FRE and FNM said were not buying any mortgages.........

  • 09-06-2008 12:51 PM In reply to

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    Are there any WSS members still holding these shares? Or should I ask, any that are willing to admit it?

  • 09-06-2008 1:17 PM In reply to

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    :::sheepishly raising my hand:::: they were doing well when I left for Austin... sigh....

  • 09-06-2008 1:35 PM In reply to

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    Your maybe the only one with the guts to stand up. The dashboard shows FRE to be the highest purchased stock at 601 buys.

    You are very worthy of your avatar.

  • 09-06-2008 1:43 PM In reply to

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    thanks

  • 09-06-2008 1:55 PM In reply to

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    I dont own any shares

  • 09-06-2008 2:26 PM In reply to

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    I'VE KEPT BUYING AND SELLING THEM AND I ACTUALLY DID MAKE SOME MONEY ON THEM BUT I PUT A SELL IN FOR FIRST THING MONDAY MORNING FOR MY LAST SHARES OF FNM AND I'LL PROBABLY LOSE MONEY.

  • 09-06-2008 2:39 PM In reply to

    Re: FNM and FRE

    Don't feel to bad.................i went down with BSC

  • 09-06-2008 3:38 PM In reply to

    Re: FNM and FRE

    I beleive its just a correction in the financial system.  People were able to take loans based on the 'future value' of one's property, aka at around 10% increase in yearly value, this was added to their assets so they could take out a bigger loan.  The problem in this credit is the fact that there was no real money or income change, and this credit had no real financial backing.  This created a false bubble of real money vs paper-trading, and consumers took loans for better cars etc. because of the valuation of one's property.  If you could imagine a break-even point where people consumer so much of their homes value on securities that could not fully be considered liquid-assets, then it becomes more clear as to why this 'correction' in the u.s. housing market (reflecting prices), and the fact that it was perceived value being added to one's income-not real value.  I am waiting for a credit-card crunch to happen soon, as these companies are the next in line.  There's 2 ways of looking at the market from my perspective: 

    1: Bottom-up: starting from raw materials (commodity markets), as this is the basis of labor, and production (what one would see in added gnp).  If consumers are feeling a pinch, or the green-back is sliding, commodities are bound to rise (though a bubble has emerged because of this race-it should burst in the next 6-12 months).  Good companies to hedge against the green-back would be co's like Freedom McMoran (FCX), and Agnico-Eagle Mines (AEM).  As emerging markets slow down (biggest consumers right now), the cost-of-production will be too high to sustain growth, and a new correction will be in order.

    2: Top-down: This reflects the consumption of end-users.  Strong economies will always favor the service/ credit sectors.  Though a correction is naturally needed (as Buffet said about the Subprime crisis: Poetic justice), a paper-race with no actual growth will be destined to fall (black monday).  Banks will take riskier moves (90's-internet bubble, and until subprime)

    *Tid-bits

    The stocking of precious metals, not available on the public market due to institutions buying and holding these assets, if people start selling gold, platinum etc. these reserves will go through a major correction-as they are sold buy their holders, and flooded onto the market.

    FRE and FNM is being over-reaced by investors recently (as proven by the decrease in wages, yet massive drop in foreclosures recently).  So don't take info too seriously unless it can be justified through all information that this company is dependant on-weigh it all in (I shorted fnm and fre on after-hours friday b/c of a too-high gain on irrelevant info). 

     Cheers. 

     

  • 09-07-2008 5:43 PM In reply to

    Bailout Complete

    From CNNMoney:

    U.S. seizes Fannie and Freddie

    Federal officials on Sunday unveiled an extraordinary takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, putting the government in charge of the twin mortgage giants and the $5 trillion in home loans they back.
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